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So I have been thinking of upgrading my camera for no other reason than I feel a little uninspired and it would be nice to have something new to play with. 

 

The bulk of what I do these days is real estate and the Olympus E-M1 is absolutely perfect for that work - no complaints from me other than I wish that it was possible to do bracketing using the electronic shutter - that would certainly save the camera life a lot. If I am to continue using MFT then my upgrade options are the E-M1 Mk II or the E-M1X. While the latter does appeal to me, the price is unjustifiable. Then the idea of getting the Sigma SD Quattro-H body has crossed my mind a few times. They don't bring them in here, but my contact has said they could get one for me. No special price though. If I went this route I'd have to buy a Sigma 12-24mm Art lens and a couple of batteries. What worries me about this option is that a lot of the things that make me really efficient at my job now using the Olympus E-M1 would have to be overcome with a new camera I know nothing about. For one, there is no tilting monitor so I'd have to get down on a lower level with the camera to do my composing and there are also no electronic level indicators that I am aware of (I use these in the E-M1 extensively to keep my lines straight). The latter isn't a big deal as this is a one-click fix in Lr, but the lack of a tilting screen is a bit of a grey area. I would definitely miss that. The other thing that keeps me from drifting towards this option is that there is no built-in wifi so if I am going to be shooting higher end composites for the hospitality industry (where I am aiming my future career), I'd have a bit of a problem. I don't think Camranger even support anything other than Canon/Nikon. 

 

Then of course there is the Canon EOS RP, the new 35mm mirrorless from them. While it hasn't exactly set the industry abuzz, it is pretty affordable and it does pave the way into a plethora of specialist glass from Canon for this kind of work. Canon offer a number of T/S lenses and their L series f/4 range is not only very good, but also very affordable. The cost of an EOS RP and a 17-40/4.0 (used) is way less than the cost of an Olympus E-M1X. Like probably half the price here. Canon also have excellent support for their products in this country.

 

Question marks on the RP are whether it is up to the workload I will put it through and also whether there is any perceived benefit to returning to a larger sensor? I don't think there is that much to gain image quality wise (for RE work), but I am enticed with the prospect of getting back into L glass again. I last shot with Canon wayyy back in 2005 and I did like their lenses. Canon is a very strong brand here. 

 

Panasonic is still a non-starter in South Africa, as is Sony, so they are not on the map. Fuji is still quite high profile here, but when I tested the X-T1 I wasn't all that impressed with the interface and again, no real benefit I think in terms of IQ unless I made radical changes to my workflow, which is almost entirely driven by Lightroom. 

 

What would you do? 

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Why don’t you like the EM1-Mk ll?


Mike Gorman

 

Lumix G9 , GX8 - Leica 12, 15, 20, 25, 42.5 - 8-18, 12-60, 35-100, 45-175

 

 

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43 minutes ago, Mike G said:

Why don’t you like the EM1-Mk ll?

 

I actually don't even have an opinion on it, Mike. I have only held one in my hands for a few minutes and it was sent to me to give to somebody else to try out. It's still quite expensive here, actually costs more than the EOS RP! But, it's most likely the camera I will get if I can't snap out of the GAS phase. :D I'd like to try one for a while first, so I will see if I can get a demo for a little while. 

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E-M1 Mk II has a free-angle LCD, as opposed to the Mk I, which should be very beneficial to your current work.

 

I briefly handled EOS RP.  It feels so cheap that I would doubt you would be inspired.

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I have a historic antipathy to Olympus cameras dating back to the 1960s, In the OM 1,2,3,4s, I just never got them! Their lenses I have no animosity to, but prefer the design of the Panasonic Lumix lenses nicer lines to my eyes! Both Olympus and Lumix lenses are virtually equal in their image quality, which I perceive as superior to Fujinon lenses. 

But then I don’t have your experience of Olympus cameras and which shows in the quality you are able get from your Olympuses.

Ain’t GAS wonderful, but I can say that as my itch to spend has been scratched. (for now!)

Good luck with the decision making.

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I’m not sure from your post if you are just after a new toy or something for your work.  For work you are probably better sticking with Olympus or maybe Canon.  Fuji and sigma would probably be too much of a change to your workflow to be any more than a toy, even if you do get some inspiration and enjoyment from them.

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10 hours ago, Akira said:

E-M1 Mk II has a free-angle LCD, as opposed to the Mk I, which should be very beneficial to your current work.

 

I briefly handled EOS RP.  It feels so cheap that I would doubt you would be inspired.

 

Thanks Akira. I have not seen any of the new mirrorless cameras from Nikon or Canon in the flesh, which is a bit of an indictment against the current dilemma where almost all the major camera shops in my neck of the woods have closed down. Unless there's a special event one gets invited to the only chance available to get hands on with the new stuff is to buy it. I appreciate your input into the build quality of the RP - I have heard that it is budget, but then so was the EOS 200D I owned briefly, so I have an idea of what to expect from the RP. 

 

10 hours ago, Mike G said:

I have a historic antipathy to Olympus cameras dating back to the 1960s, In the OM 1,2,3,4s, I just never got them! Their lenses I have no animosity to, but prefer the design of the Panasonic Lumix lenses nicer lines to my eyes! Both Olympus and Lumix lenses are virtually equal in their image quality, which I perceive as superior to Fujinon lenses. 

But then I don’t have your experience of Olympus cameras and which shows in the quality you are able get from your Olympuses.

Ain’t GAS wonderful, but I can say that as my itch to spend has been scratched. (for now!)

Good luck with the decision making.

 

It's funny how our brand perceptions can define us, especially when we surround ourselves with people of similar perception. For instance, when I first bought a Nikon and discovered the "Nikon Army" I became almost rabidly anti-Canon. Until I bought an EOS 30 and realised that my hands weren't going to suddenly become gangrenous! :D I actually loved that camera and it eventually led to my first departure from the grasp Nikon brand worship had me in. 

 

When Micro Four Thirds was first announced to the world I recall being appalled that they would go with such a small sensor, but then as time wore on it became quite apparent that there were definite benefits to the system and here I am today, a proud user and exponent. I have used both Panasonic and Olympus bodies and lenses, but I definitely prefer the Olympus bodies. Lens wise I use whatever works, which is why I haven't bothered to upgrade from my old 4/3 mount 50-200mm to the Olympus 40-150/2.8 PRO. I think my lens is better (and more versatile, albeit larger and a bit unwieldy). 

 

But yes, it's nice to be able to have so many choices these days! 

 

2 hours ago, crowecg said:

I’m not sure from your post if you are just after a new toy or something for your work.  For work you are probably better sticking with Olympus or maybe Canon.  Fuji and sigma would probably be too much of a change to your workflow to be any more than a toy, even if you do get some inspiration and enjoyment from them.

 

100% Chris. This is just mind games with myself! Any purchase outside of my chosen system would definitely be "toy-ish" in nature. If it were complimentary to the work I do then that would be great, but moving out from my nicely established workflow for RE using what I have would be foolish. I am now able to photograph an entire mansion in under 20 minutes, room by room. The editing I have almost entirely automated and I am still finding simple ways of batching things nicely in Lightroom with some auxiliary products. While the computer still takes a fair amount of time to process everything, I can set it off and then when it's finished do a quick whip-through the job in under 5 minutes, correcting whatever needs to be corrected. 

 

I have also thought about getting a small drone, which could definitely compliment my work. The DJI Spark is really affordable and I think might be ideal for doing some low altitude shots of properties to get a better perspective of them. There are some complications when using a drone for commercial purposes, but I need to investigate whether I would be able to avoid Civil Aviation Authority commercial regulations if I kept the drone at under 30m heights. That would be a nice new toy and could help me produce better output for my clients. Hmmm...

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1 hour ago, Luc de Schepper said:

Dallas, how about exploring video for your RE work? In Holland videos are widely used to promote RE on sites. 

 

...or the 360 degree VR pano?


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When I was getting very unhappy with Fujifilm, I cast an eye around to seek an alternative, I was inspired by Dallas, Luc de Schepper, and David Thorpe the blogger(sensible mu-43 reviews) and ordered a Lumix G9 + 12-60mm 2.8/4 Leica lens as a trial and that was it, all the unreliable Fuji gear was sold or PXed for a slew of Leica and Panasonic lenses that I’ve been blown away by!

That bout of GAS cost me dearly but I’m not regretting it yet. Bar two little episodes of peeling cover material the output quality(glued back with superglue) is exceeding my expectations! Expensive yes but when GAS snuggles up to you the willpower melts away, so that particular itch gets scratched, a quick glance at my signature will show I scratched it well!

As you no doubt will know, very system you buy into is always the greatest thing since sliced bread. Again as we also realise there is no such thing as the perfect system is there?

 

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11 hours ago, Dallas said:

There are some complications when using a drone for commercial purposes, but I need to investigate whether I would be able to avoid Civil Aviation Authority commercial regulations if I kept the drone at under 30m heights. That would be a nice new toy and could help me produce better output for my clients. Hmmm...

30metres doesn’t seem to be very high! Apparently I read that droning is really addictive!


Mike Gorman

 

Lumix G9 , GX8 - Leica 12, 15, 20, 25, 42.5 - 8-18, 12-60, 35-100, 45-175

 

 

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23 hours ago, Luc de Schepper said:

Dallas, how about exploring video for your RE work? In Holland videos are widely used to promote RE on sites. 

 

21 hours ago, Akira said:

 

...or the 360 degree VR pano?

 

I have thought about both, but the market here is comprised mostly of extremely cheap-ass agents who are quite happy with using their smart phones to take the most horrendous images you're ever likely to see. The national agency I am working for are a breath of fresh air comparatively, so I am trying not to rock the boat too much by pushing them in any direction. The problem with the other options like video and 360 stuff is that it will increase the amount of time required to produce material quite significantly and right now I am not sure that there is commensurate remuneration available for what it would take to do the job right. 

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Mike,

I admire  your self-discipline (resistance to GAS).

 

Unfortunately, just like mine, it does not last very long ...

Hmmm ...

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3 hours ago, vivionm said:

Mike,

I admire  your self-discipline (resistance to GAS).

 

Unfortunately, just like mine, it does not last very long ...

Hmmm ...

Quite right Vivion, I’m sure GAS will rear it’s head again, hopefully not for a while. 😊


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Lumix G9 , GX8 - Leica 12, 15, 20, 25, 42.5 - 8-18, 12-60, 35-100, 45-175

 

 

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Mike, perhaps you and I should start a GASSG (GAS Support Group).

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Can I join (GASSG). Just found the 'need' to buy another camera.


Still trying.

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36 minutes ago, vivionm said:

Mike, perhaps you and I should start a GASSG (GAS Support Group).

There ya go Vivion that’s three of us already! 😉


Mike Gorman

 

Lumix G9 , GX8 - Leica 12, 15, 20, 25, 42.5 - 8-18, 12-60, 35-100, 45-175

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Clactonian said:

Can I join (GASSG). Just found the 'need' to buy another camera.

 

Your application will be submitted to the Committee.

The annual subscription is 3,000 euro - a bargain.

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At 3000 euro it might be cheaper than new cameras and lenses!

 


Still trying.

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Exactly!

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4 hours ago, vivionm said:

Mike, perhaps you and I should start a GASSG (GAS Support Group).

 

In which direction?!  :crazy:


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4 hours ago, vivionm said:

 

Your application will be submitted to the Committee.

The annual subscription is 3,000 euro - a bargain.

I resign!

 

I’d spend less buying some more gear!


Mike Gorman

 

Lumix G9 , GX8 - Leica 12, 15, 20, 25, 42.5 - 8-18, 12-60, 35-100, 45-175

 

 

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If I was Dallas I'd only upgrade if it will bring a significant advantage (= full frame) and workflow would remain simple (= no Sigma). And if that advantage can be used professionally to increase or at least stabilise earnings. Otherwise I'd wait for prices of the new full frame cameras to drop. 

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In my head I was writing an article explaining exactly that, Luc. 

 

When I upgrade anything now I always ask myself the question: what does it add? If I can't come up with a convincing answer then I know that it is an emotional purchase. There's nothing really wrong with emotional purchases, we all need to satisfy some of those desires, but in my case many of those purchases have ended up hurting me because the money I used on them could have been so much better apportioned on more boring things that I actually needed. They didn't really add any capacity to what I was doing at that time and were largely self-indulgences. 

 

I do believe that I have turned a corner now and this current bout of GAS might well be under control. I got some pricing on the E-M1X and Mk II and there was some shrivelling inside! Yes, I could buy either of them... but what for? Will either purchase result in an improvement in my income as a photographer? No. I will still have the same clients, none of whom give any regard to the tools I use. What do those cameras add to what I am doing? I get more resolution and better stabilisation. Does that matter to me or my clients? Nope. So, buying them would be superfluous to my needs. Would I take them around outside when I am photographing things for myself? Probably not. To be very honest, I can't recall when last I did any photography for myself and when I have done so I found my iPhone 7P to be perfectly fine for any happy snaps and video I need to make. I am even at the point now where the cellphone company is offering me an upgrade to that phone and I am questioning the necessity thereof. The iPhone X holds exactly zero interest for me. I'm afraid I might have become a wet blanket! 

 

I do still love my tech though and a couple of weeks ago I bought the Apple TV4K, which I have absolutely fallen in love with. It has turned my very old 40" Sony Bravia in my second TV room into a better smart TV than the LG Smart TV in the main lounge! The little remote it comes with somehow manages to not only turn on the ATV, but also that ancient Sony too and puts it on the right input. And then turns it off when I send the device to sleep. I have no idea how it does that because the Sony TV relies on an IR remote, but somehow the Apple remote is sending it commands via the HDMI interface. It's quite bizarre. 

 

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3 hours ago, Dallas said:

To be very honest, I can't recall when last I did any photography for myself

 

 

 

That does not sound good.  I hope you find a way to rediscover joy in photography.

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