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#21 Ann

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 00:19

I have a similar amount of RAM and Photoshop running on 64-bit is using 70% of it on my machine (the rest being held in reserve for the System and other active applications which are running in the background).

However, Ps automatically opens scratch space (regardless of how much RAM you have installed) as it is designed to do, but you can choose the location for that in its Prefs file.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:21

Sounds like nothing has changed since Windows 3.11

Back then the recommendation was to create a ramdisk that held the swapping file. A 2MB swapping file on a 2MB ramdisk (with the additional 2MB for regular use) would perform better than a 4MB system memory and no ramdisk.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:52

If you work with multiple layers (and many users regularly work on GB-sized .psb files with over 100 layers!), 100 or so History States, Smart objects and filters, and you zoom in and out all over the place, you are using, and needing to store, a lot of temporary data.

I believe this data is what the Scratch space is holding temporarily and later discards when you switch out of the app.

It all happens under the hood, and does not impinge on the efficiency and speed of the program in any way if you are using a suitably configured computer.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:27

Sorry, Akira, I really can't comment from first hand on Elements as I last looked at it probably six years ago, and then it was only as a curiosity as I've always used Photoshop (since 1993, v2.5). I'm aware that Corel PSP is 32-bit, but mentioned it simply for its far greater functionality at a cheaper price than PsE. I have the Ultimate version, not that I use it much, but it was cheap and I like to keep investigating anything that might get me off the Adobe bandwagon, but as far as accessing more than 3.2GB of RAM, agreed - no dice. :(

As far as Photoshop and memory goes, I think it will be a future generation of machines and OS software that can deal with its sometimes savage demand for RAM - I have 64GB of RAM and have run out on numerous occasions, to the point that I regretted not waiting for a motherboard which would handle 128GB, although I have since concluded that even that wouldn't be nearly enough at times. I've seen my RAM meter report 80GB of RAM & sys VM as being used within a couple of minutes of beginning work on a large (2GB+) file, with the scratch disk reporting a 120GB scratch file for Ps at the same time. At that point even this hulking great computer sitting under my desk starts having the stutters. 128-bit architecture and 500GB of RAM would be better but still would probably run into a Photoshop RAM wall... :)

As Bjørn points out, there are also other programs which don't do RAM well. Although I rarely use it these days, the free Open Source Photivo I used for a front-end gui for DCRaw to process my Fuji X-Pro1 raws for a while was an astonishing hoarder of RAM - once it grabbed it it wouldn't let it go, either, even after closing files or even the program sometimes, so a reboot would be necessary to get the computer running properly again.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:13

Well it was not until now that I noticed that I had hijacked your thread, Colin! Sorry for that!

On the other hand, I would thank you, Bjørn, Ann and Fred, as usual, for your solid info, clarifications and insights.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:25

I've been trying for years to find a way of getting out of Adobe's clutches, but that is still not possible if you do serious 16-bit image processing and manipulation/retouching.

Hmmm,
lack of 16bit support was what made me exclude PhotoShop from my laundry list when I initially shopped for an image editor ;-)
PWP was 16bit clean long before Adobe went there.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 06:35

Hey, Andreas, you are way too ahead of time! :D

Anyway, another major annoyance of mine is that ACR doesn't read the (possible) meta data for the automatic aberration correction of the new 16-50 power zoom on NEX-5R. The processed image shows fairly apparent vignetting and distortion. :( I inquired about the problem both to Sony and Adobe but in vain.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:47

Hmmm,
lack of 16bit support was what made me exclude PhotoShop from my laundry list when I initially shopped for an image editor ;-)
PWP was 16bit clean long before Adobe went there.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 11:48

Let me see. You forgot Picture Window Pro. I know there is a license for it floating around here somewhere - if only I could locate it.

By the way "Porn Without Plot" is the nature of the matter. Just bang and go.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 12:20

PWP?

Picture Window Pro. http://www.dl-c.com/

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 19:45

Well - I was using PSE for as long I was using a 32 bit operating system. I did use it from version 1.0. When I replaced my hardware and moved to Windows 7 (running it on 64 GB memory) switching to CS6 was a no-brainer. My current experience - wish I had done the switch a long ago since the full Photoshop is a totally different beast. You can do almost all you need already with ACR. Of course you need sufficient hardware to match the program requirements...

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Posted 26 January 2013 - 07:24

Woah, I go away for a couple of days and what happens??

> Well it was not until now that I noticed that I had hijacked your thread, Colin! Sorry for that!
Forgiven Akira - I learned a lot :)

> By the way "Porn Without Plot" is the nature of the matter. Just bang and go.
Hang on Bjorn (maybe I learned more than I bargained for)!

So Ann, I'm not a fan of the LR interface either. Though I'm ashamed to admit I mainly PP in NX2, but going back to look at PSE was also good, because its what I learned on. I guess I may have to bite the bullet & get the Full Fat version of PS sometime.

It's depressing to hear your comment on the LR catalogue. However (pausing to duck for cover) I have heard a few people flag issues with Bridge too. Anyone care to comment on the pros & cons for the two approaches?
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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:52

As an Adobe engineer, I would not suggest using your RAM for a RAM disk. You are going to be much better off performance-wise leaving all of your RAM as RAM. If you want a faster disk, get an SSD. They are quite reasonably priced now and make excellent system disks. You can add a partition to use as scratch. When a program needs more RAM, there is no substitute, and when you get into paging to disk everything starts to suck. I use an SSD as my system disk and a Sandisk SSD Drive card that fits into the PCIe bus which can sustain 750 MB/s, meaning I can play multiple streams of 5k raw video off of it. Probably overkill for photoshop, and its drivers are a bit flaky. But SSDs that fit into a standard drive connector can easily give you 200 MB/s which is 5 times what you are getting from your magnetic drives (or better).

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 18:00

Mike:

How very nice to see you here.

Your input on these topics will be immensely valuable because there are so many outdated misconceptions about modern software floating around and these do need to be swatted!


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Posted 02 February 2013 - 22:31

Mike:

Your input on these topics will be immensely valuable because there are so many outdated misconceptions about modern software floating around and these do need to be swatted!


No misconception whatsoever about Adobe's woeful implementation of the conversion of Fuji X-Trans raw files by ACR, though....

The Internet is full of this for months, yet not a peep out of Adobe regarding a fix.

(I might also point out that certain opinions expressed regarding the stability and operating ease of modern Windows OS meet that criteria of "outdated misconceptions" admirably. :) )

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 22:55

Some people (like me!) just don't "Do windows" (of any sort) if they can possibly help it.

It's not that I don't know how to (Windex is principally for ungumming ink cartridges I believe -- although I have heard it works on glass too?!) but every bit of software and hardware I have ever bought over the past 20 years is Mac-centric because the Apple towers do simply last for ever (without requiring a single trip to a repair shop during their entire lifespan) and mine have still being working faultlessly when I have finally passed them on to charity some ten years later.

That has been my past experience and those are the reasons that I have for never buying other than this brand




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