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The litte OM-D E-M5 that could


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#41 Luc de Schepper

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:53

the af-s of the x-e1 is a lot better than the x-pro was pre-firmware upgrade. i assume the x100 was the same.

the af-c is still a joke, but it is on the m 4/3 cameras too. the only mirrorless cameras with decent af performance in my opinion are the ones with hybrid phase detect sensors embedded in the sensor, a la the nikon 1 and i think one of the latest NEX.

the 75 f/1.8 is almost reason by itself to get an m4/3 camera! (almost)


Thanks for the info. And you hit the hammer on the head, the 75mm f1.8 is a superb lens. It's rendering seems to be like that of a Nikkor DC (I have the 105mm f2 DC). Very tempting lens ...

Edited by Luc de Schepper, 19 November 2012 - 21:58 .


#42 Luc de Schepper

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:57

Yes, possibly, and the size is another. Not too big, not too small, but this is essentially subjective.


I agree. Camera and three or four primes in the 24mm-150mm range, all in a relatively small camera bag.

#43 yunfat

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 18:22

The 17-55 nikkor gives you every prime between 17mm and 55mm at F2.8 and OOF rendering is on par with both the 25 1.4 and the 20 1.7, imho

The portability proposition of the OM-D begins to evaporate rapidly when you consider that this nikkor is cheap used, and you won't need to change lenses for "versatility" vs bokeh.

On m43 you either choose a zoom with no bokeh, or a prime that has it, but you cannot have both.

Edited by yunfat, 22 November 2012 - 18:22 .


#44 Airee

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 19:27

17-55: 754g
12, 20, 45 : 346g
Size also in proportion.
I have also lugged the D700 around with the 24-70...

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 02:24

The 17-55 with the hood is so big it looks ridiculous on the D3200, it is also so wide the bottom of the camera is tilted when sit down. No argument there.

I love the m43 lenses that are prime, even the 17 2.8 which I absolutely adore, and is universally hated. Good lenses for m43 right now, light cameras too, that system is really a boon for traveling and just going "light".

#46 Luc de Schepper

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:22

The 17-55 with the hood is so big it looks ridiculous on the D3200, it is also so wide the bottom of the camera is tilted when sit down. No argument there.

I love the m43 lenses that are prime, even the 17 2.8 which I absolutely adore, and is universally hated. Good lenses for m43 right now, light cameras too, that system is really a boon for traveling and just going "light".


I guess that's the problem with DX mirror dslr's. It's physically not possible to make a small, high quality fast zoom lens like the new 18-55mm f2.8-f4 Fuji lens. It's a pity there aren't any relatively cheap, good f2.8-f4 zoom lenses for m43 or Sony NEX cameras.
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 00:39

episa, I am VERY impressed with your images usaing the 25mm f/1.4! I wonder if they are all as reliably sharp as your copy?

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Cameras: Nikon D800, Nikon P7000, Oly E-P2IR, Oly OM-D E-M5
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 20:03

episa, I am VERY impressed with your images usaing the 25mm f/1.4! I wonder if they are all as reliably sharp as your copy?


Tom: sorry for late checking of this thread. Yes the Leica 25mm f/1.4 is sharp on all my pictures, even at 1.4! It is really remarkable. One thing I like less in this lens is that it is bigger than the Olympus primes 12mm, 17mm, and 45mm. The hood is huge as well. But this is minor compared to the optical quality.

The picture belows was taken wide open at f/1.4 in a poorly lit church. The result is magic (better than with my own eyes).

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Edited by episa, 29 December 2012 - 20:05 .

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D800, D800E, Nikkor AF-S 24/1.4G, 50/1.4G, 85/1.4G, 300/2.8G VR, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VRII
TC-14EII, TC-17EII, TC-20EIII
Nikkor AIS 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 55/2.8 Micro, 105/2.5, Rokinon MF 35/1.4 AS UMC
Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZF, Leica 180mm APO f/2.8, Voigtlander SLII 40/2, 58/1.4, 90/3.5, APO 125/2.5 SLI, APO 180/4 SLI

Sony NEX-5N with Sony 18-55/3.5-5.6 OSS
Olympus OMD E-M5 with M.Zuiko Digital ED 12/2, 17/1.8, 45/1.8, 75/1.8. Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 DG

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 20:16

some other examples taken with the Leica Summilux 25mm f/1.4 DG on Olympus OM-D, wide open (f/1.6 at 6400 ISO for first photo and f/1.4 at 200 ISO for second one). The sharpness is there, no doubt. Be aware that the depth of field is limited though....

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D800, D800E, Nikkor AF-S 24/1.4G, 50/1.4G, 85/1.4G, 300/2.8G VR, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VRII
TC-14EII, TC-17EII, TC-20EIII
Nikkor AIS 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 55/2.8 Micro, 105/2.5, Rokinon MF 35/1.4 AS UMC
Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZF, Leica 180mm APO f/2.8, Voigtlander SLII 40/2, 58/1.4, 90/3.5, APO 125/2.5 SLI, APO 180/4 SLI

Sony NEX-5N with Sony 18-55/3.5-5.6 OSS
Olympus OMD E-M5 with M.Zuiko Digital ED 12/2, 17/1.8, 45/1.8, 75/1.8. Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 DG

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 20:28

For those interested in comparing the Leica 25mm f/1.4 DG with the latest Olympus 17mm f/1.8 which I got yesterday, here are a couple of pictures taken wide open at f/1.8.
The Leica is sharper at 100% magnification but the Olympus is close behind. At f/4 the Olympus lens is super sharp, and this is my favorite aperture for the type of photo I do: landscape photography.
I really like the 17mm f/1.8 for its small size and manual focus ring (with click position to select MF/AF).

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D800, D800E, Nikkor AF-S 24/1.4G, 50/1.4G, 85/1.4G, 300/2.8G VR, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VRII
TC-14EII, TC-17EII, TC-20EIII
Nikkor AIS 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 55/2.8 Micro, 105/2.5, Rokinon MF 35/1.4 AS UMC
Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZF, Leica 180mm APO f/2.8, Voigtlander SLII 40/2, 58/1.4, 90/3.5, APO 125/2.5 SLI, APO 180/4 SLI

Sony NEX-5N with Sony 18-55/3.5-5.6 OSS
Olympus OMD E-M5 with M.Zuiko Digital ED 12/2, 17/1.8, 45/1.8, 75/1.8. Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 DG

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 20:39

The MF/AF ring (pulling sets to MF) is a feature shared with the 12/2.0. I wish the teles had the same feature.

Edited by Airy, 29 December 2012 - 20:40 .


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 21:35

The MF/AF ring makes sense for wide and normal focal lengths when you use the hyperfocal distance for example, something widely used in landscape photography.

But I have made more than 100 shots with the 75mm f/1.8, and not once I felt the need to over-ride the AF as the camera is more precise than me for such narrow depth of field.

Maybe this is why they did not bother implementing this ring on the teles. Just look how impractical and difficult this exercise is on a M9 with any lens beyond 90mm.

Edited by episa, 29 December 2012 - 21:38 .

Eric
D800, D800E, Nikkor AF-S 24/1.4G, 50/1.4G, 85/1.4G, 300/2.8G VR, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VRII
TC-14EII, TC-17EII, TC-20EIII
Nikkor AIS 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 55/2.8 Micro, 105/2.5, Rokinon MF 35/1.4 AS UMC
Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZF, Leica 180mm APO f/2.8, Voigtlander SLII 40/2, 58/1.4, 90/3.5, APO 125/2.5 SLI, APO 180/4 SLI

Sony NEX-5N with Sony 18-55/3.5-5.6 OSS
Olympus OMD E-M5 with M.Zuiko Digital ED 12/2, 17/1.8, 45/1.8, 75/1.8. Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 DG

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 21:56

with thé loupe it is à différent story

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 22:12

For those interested in comparing the Leica 25mm f/1.4 DG with the latest Olympus 17mm f/1.8 which I got yesterday, here are a couple of pictures taken wide open at f/1.8.
The Leica is sharper at 100% magnification but the Olympus is close behind. At f/4 the Olympus lens is super sharp, and this is my favorite aperture for the type of photo I do: landscape photography.
I really like the 17mm f/1.8 for its small size and manual focus ring (with click position to select MF/AF).


episa, that second shot is very nice! very pleasing rendition of the out of focus areas and the little reflection on the ornament is great. is that with the oly 17?
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 22:28

episa, that second shot is very nice! very pleasing rendition of the out of focus areas and the little reflection on the ornament is great. is that with the oly 17?


Yes schwett, it is with the new Oly 17mm f/1.8 that was released this week in Czech Republic where I live and is located the European headquarters of Olympus. For once, I am lucky to have it among the first ones :)

To make my point on the sharpness of this lens at f/4 and beyond, here is an example at ISO 200, f/5.6. No polarizer was used and no sharpening done in post.

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Eric
D800, D800E, Nikkor AF-S 24/1.4G, 50/1.4G, 85/1.4G, 300/2.8G VR, 14-24/2.8G, 24-70/2.8G, 70-200/2.8G VRII
TC-14EII, TC-17EII, TC-20EIII
Nikkor AIS 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 28/2.8, 55/2.8 Micro, 105/2.5, Rokinon MF 35/1.4 AS UMC
Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZF, Leica 180mm APO f/2.8, Voigtlander SLII 40/2, 58/1.4, 90/3.5, APO 125/2.5 SLI, APO 180/4 SLI

Sony NEX-5N with Sony 18-55/3.5-5.6 OSS
Olympus OMD E-M5 with M.Zuiko Digital ED 12/2, 17/1.8, 45/1.8, 75/1.8. Panasonic Leica 25/1.4 DG




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